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"Quite limited"?

Enough of this bullshit. They are not.

As for you assertion about rise/fall, you might want to check the specs on the Deardorff 4x5. It has 4 3/8", which is 111.125mm. 0.875mm less than your quoted Sinar range. Hardly any difference (and none meaningful), let alone "quite limited".

Stop this argy-bargy and stop it now. What impression does a new member get from a pissing contest on his first thread? The forum is hardly bristling with discussion and this crap would not help.

Agree to disagree and move on.

Please!

Argy Bargy on the internet? I'm all for it really - it shows we all are passionate about our interest. I'd much rather strong opinions than no opinion at all - and 'decisive closed statements' are just as strong opinions as mild 'counter-expletives'... No-one loses an eye and we all might learn a thing, or clarify our own opinions.

Carry on, everyone, carry on!!

Marc!

Just so long as nobody berrates me and tells me I made the wrong decision!
One other forum I browse the consensus was almost "if you don't get a chamonix, you're not cool enough"
almost, though...

Yeah Marc's right, If I can't be a tough guy on the internet then where am I supposed to get my sense of self worth?

Lachlan717 wrote:"Quite limited"?

Enough of this bullshit. They are not.

As for you assertion about rise/fall, you might want to check the specs on the Deardorff 4x5. It has 4 3/8", which is 111.125mm. 0.875mm less than your quoted Sinar range. Hardly any difference (and none meaningful), let alone "quite limited".

To be honest, I didn't know that the Deardorff had that much movement and I if had a spare 1300 bones laying around I would probably buy one. After doing some research to redeem my internet pride I realised that the Deardorff actually has very little 'normal' rise/fall, as can be seen on the slider grooves on the sides of the lens/film planes. It actually gains extra movement by tilting the base and then realigning the film plane/lensboard as seen here:



This accounts for the 111.125mm that is quoted as rise/fall for the Deardorff.

The Sinar can do exactly the same thing and doing so will almost double the original figure I gave to you.

I have a Chamonix. I am finally cool.
I hope you nerds all enjoy your Sinars.

Ha!

Of course, what is illustrated in the Deardof image is masses and masses of yaw. One of the primary design features of the Sinar is that it is yaw-free .... a massive benefit aiding optical performance.

The F series aren't yaw free. I wouldn't really call it a negitive or positive to optical performance but it does mean that you need to refocus after using tilts.

Yaw has nothing to do with the need to refocus after applying tilt. Yaw is about the perpendicularity of the swing axis. All the Sinars were designed to eradicate yaw - I understand that Arca Swiss effectively addressed the issue also.